YEARS AND YEARS | Episode 4 | Review & Discussion

Who Cares about the most shocking episode of YEARS AND YEARS so far? Who cares about the episode’s surprise deaths, striking music, usage of horseshoe theory, and how it speaks to generational attitudes, conspiracy theories, and RTD’s very view of the world? We do, we do.

David McCormack
Edited by Neo

Neo’s cinegrid for YEARS AND YEARS, episode 4
Neo’s barcode for YEARS AND YEARS, episode 4. Barcodes are every frame of a video compressed into a line, typically to compare colour palette patterns. The bottom version is further compressed to just indicate the dominant colour of a frame.



  • The musical intro for these YEARS AND YEARS podcasts is again courtesy of Deadlocked. (0:00)
  • David McCormack, one of the two behind the music adaptions/rearrangements played and discussed in the previous episode, joins this week. (0:58)
  • Ingiga’s short take on RTD’s political commentary on the episode. (2:04)
  • Sounds of bullets in Spain bleed into the beating kick drum that kickstarts the weekly montage. (4:39)
  • Are Edith’s politics confused? (5:29)
  • Did RTD really use up the idea for YEARS AND YEARS in TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH? (9:54)
  • Is RTD a cynic? A humanist? Does he naturally tend towards positive or negative depictions of humanity? (11:03)
  • Dilb and Neo seem to agree on how/where the show will end, in terms of the Lyons. (13:44)
  • Celeste revealing Stephen’s affair is applauded. (14:54)
  • Dilb wonders why RTD decided to make YEARS AND YEARS now, of all times. (16:54)
  • The music of the episode is discussed, in particular the experimental choice to have a BBC announcer improvise over the ending credits. (17:43)
  • The episode’s music is compared to DOCTOR WHO’s episode TURN LEFT. (19:17)
  • Deepfakes, and the nature of truth. (22:01)
  • Has Viv gone mask off yet? What does she actually want? (25:06)
  • The editing of the boat scene at night. (26:42)
  • Why did RTD kill Danny, and not Viktor? (28:23)
  • Ingiga vindicated, and #buryyourgays. (33:42)
  • The reaction of Stephen’s siblings to his affair. The absent generation of the Lyons family. (34:46)
  • The election, and Viv. (36:35)
  • Did the news “used to be boring”? (38:00)
  • America’s suspension of gay marriage, and overturning of Roe v. Wade (in the show! The show!) is discussed. (42:14)
  • How Stephen and Celeste’s daughters reacted to Stephen’s affair, and Bethany’s psyche in general. (43:26)
  • Dilb dishes on the interplay between technology usage and family values. (46:15)
  • Lincoln, and the show’s treatment of trans people and trans issues in general, is discussed. (47:12)
  • Ingiga ends the discussion with an extended sixty-second-soapbox on horseshoe theory. (53:48)

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